by WillAdams 3 days ago

For the effect this had on Apple, see:

https://www.folklore.org/Stolen_From_Apple.html

chasil 3 days ago | [-1 more]

Bearing in mind that Jobs famously intended to "knife the baby," referring to the cash flow from the 6502 machines, it is ironic that he fought to stop this clone.

I remember this phrase from a stage play, The Agony and the Ecstasy of Steve Jobs, but Google shows this source:

https://www.theregister.com/1998/11/06/were_talking_about_kn...

The play doesn't even have its own wiki.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Daisey#The_Agony_and_the_...

He also put a stop to the clone PowerMacs when he returned to Apple in the 90s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintosh_clone

WillAdams 3 days ago | [-0 more]

Yeah, but the Apple ][ was so vital to Apple's survival/cash flow that they made a disastrous deal:

https://www.folklore.org/MacBasic.html

and the PowerMac clones weren't doing anything interesting and were simply cannibalizing Mac sales, cutting into Apple's profits --- really wish at least one of them had made a tablet unit w/ a Wacom digitizer, but that was too small a market as Axiotron found when they did the ModBook (which I still regret not buying).

amelius 3 days ago | [-12 more]

Good artists copy, great artists steal ...

WillAdams 3 days ago | [-11 more]

Please provide one example of "art" which Franklin originated.

amelius 3 days ago | [-10 more]

I mean, if you put a Mac or MacOS in a museum next to Picasso, that would make many people cry.

When people think of a Mac as "art", we call that an occupational hazard.

So if you call a Mac art, you might as well call any computer art.

WillAdams 3 days ago | [-9 more]

I can remember the 16-page _Newsweek_ ad quite vividly --- the Mac was something special, and even its spiritual successor, the NeXT Cube did not reach the level of artistic flair which the Mac hit as a quick perusal of:

https://www.folklore.org

would argue.

Moreover, it made the cut at at least one museum:

https://www.moma.org/collection/works/3742?artist_id=10295

(and there are 24 other items by Apple in that collection)

and yes, they have a Picasso as well:

https://www.moma.org/calendar/exhibitions/5530

bigyabai 3 days ago | [-8 more]
razorbeamz 2 days ago | [-2 more]

If you think that a Mac or an OLPC is not art, you have a very narrow definition of art.

amelius 2 days ago | [-1 more]

Then the Franklin machine is also art.

razorbeamz a day ago | [-0 more]

It is.

WillAdams 3 days ago | [-4 more]

It was an interesting design, well-suited to the target audience and presents quite well in person (a co-worker bought two, one donated, the other for his personal use when hiking).

bigyabai 3 days ago | [-3 more]

By those qualifications we could very well nominate a Franklin machine for exhibit.

WillAdams 3 days ago | [-2 more]

The OLPC had innovative features developed by the designers --- what innovative features which were not copied did the Franklin have?

To turn things back to where we started, can you find one article which criticizes MOMA for including an Apple Macintosh along with its Picasso?

bigyabai 3 days ago | [-1 more]

For what it's worth, I consider none of the aforementioned three devices to contain any artistic value whatsoever. The Apple II is an excellent computer, but entirely unjustifiable as an art exhibit.

I stand by my original statement that anything can make it's way into MOMA regardless of whether or not it's art.

WillAdams 3 days ago | [-0 more]

Your original statement was:

>I mean, if you put a Mac or MacOS in a museum next to Picasso, that would make many people cry.

Yet, MOMA has both a Mac and a Picasso, and you have not provided evidence of anyone feeling negatively about it other than yourself.