by Aerroon 7 hours ago

I guess northern Europe must be an unpopulated wasteland where everybody's health just instantly declines.

I find these explanations to these studies so bizarre. We know that there are large populations living significantly further north, who don't get sunlight in the morning in winter, no matter whether there's DST or not. We also know that they get almost perpetual light during summer. If these explanations were true then you would expect a country like Sweden to have an impact on life expectancy and illness from this. But it's not. It's about as rich as Canada and has about the same life expectancy.

throw0101c 7 hours ago | [-1 more]

The European Biological Rhythms Society (EBRS), European Sleep Research Society (ESRS), and Society for Research on Biological Rhythms (SRBR) put out a joint statement that recommends all-year Standard Time in the EU:

* https://esrs.eu/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/To_the_EU_Commiss...

I would hazard to guess some of those folks have looked at data for northern Europe and took it into account when forming their conclusions.

indecisive_user 4 hours ago | [-0 more]

I think you're missing the parent's point.

Cities in northern Europe, like Stockholm and Oslo, already have sunrise times as late or later than Vancouver will have under permanent DST.

If the effects of shifting the clock an hour are as extreme as purported, then we should already see those negative health effects in populations that live their entire lives under those conditions, but we don't.

rtpg 4 hours ago | [-1 more]

I mean it's possible for there to be bad health effects from something without it outright killing everyone. This is why things like hygiene are tough! You can have terrible hygiene and still be alive for a long time.

Perhaps if Sweden adopted a different policy it would have an even longer life expectancy!

lucumo 2 hours ago | [-0 more]

> Perhaps if Sweden adopted a different policy it would have an even longer life expectancy!

The policy of being between 55 and 69 N? I'm not sure the world is ready for another viking age.

Joking aside, GPs point was that Sweden has long nights and long days. Based on the studies you'd expect life expectancy to be worse there than in more Southern parts, like most of Canada. It isn't.