by monero-xmr 8 hours ago
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Yes, I had noticed that Nazis and racists feel more comfortable speaking up. On the contrary, voices for peace and acceptance are shouted down and frequently defunded. The Overton window isn't larger, it's just more right.
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> That is not so bad, right? It is not like they are wiped off the face of the earth. They just lose free $$$.
I have no idea where you get the idea of "free money." The government invests in science, business, and developments that help the country; and decisions involving that investment should not be colored by adherence to the current administration's political agenda. I'm not concerned about the careers of the affected individuals, as unjust as that is; I'm concerned about the damage to the country, to our relationship with our allies, and to our standing in the world. Instead we get this: Businesses that flatter Trump get to have acquisitions, and those that don't get their contracts cancelled. The new "political correctness" is towing the line for Trumpian misinformation.
I'm also not just talking about investments, but employment. Think about the jobs of federal employees for daring to have an opinion that contradicts Dear Leader.
> If a government feels that they don't contribute positively to the society,
That's a disingenuous argument. No one believes that the Trump administration is making decisions about who to support based on what is good for the country. Paramount's acquisition of WBD will be allowed for no other reason than because it helps Trump. Universities are targeted not because they are doing bad work but because they are seen as popular among the opposition. The government is defunding research not because it isn't contributing positively, but because it contradicts the government's a priori talking points. The damage done to society as a result of the defunding is, for them, just collateral damage.
> That does not mean every voice that is enabled is a "Nazi"
I never said that every voice on the right is a Nazi, just that Nazis are among those voices. And that's enough for me: if the government is supporting any Nazis and racists, as they evidently are, that's too many. And if your argument is "Hey, not all of us are literal Nazis", then you are not doing anything to advance your position.
> And that's enough for me
So you ll start rejecting any argument that you supported before, as soon as a "Nazi" agrees with it?
> So you ll start rejecting any argument that you supported before, as soon as a "Nazi" agrees with it?
I'll fight against any position that supports dehumanizing people for their ethnicity, that sets political ideology on a pedestal and uses it as a tool to attack science, institutions, and justice. As should you.
It seems like you're upset by my use of the word Nazi. You should instead focus on the ideas that I'm arguing against.
>I'll fight against any position that supports dehumanizing people for their ethnicity,
Ok, but that is not what you said.
>I never said that every voice on the right is a Nazi, just that Nazis are among those voices. And that's enough for me
I don't know what your point is, and I don't think you do either. Are you really here to defend Nazis?
I feel like you're trying to deploy some clever rhetorical trick, but you aren't quite smart enough to pull it off.
>aren't quite smart enough to pull it off.
Yea, that is quite possible. Good day!
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The big problem with checking IDs is not the checking, it's the people with the right to vote that don't have IDs. (and can't get one super easily)
So with that noted, when people make false claims of high levels of voter fraud, to justify government intervention that disenfranchises people, that falls into the fascism bucket.
And anyone that stays in favor of those actions despite these explanations gets to be in the same bucket.
Whether modern American fascism should actually get the word "Nazi", I'm not very fussed about. It doesn't make a person automatically right or wrong.
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I can't even guess what you think is racist in what I said about voting.
And listen, I'm all for requiring IDs if we make sure 99.999% of people have an ID first.
But actual decisions must be made based on the actual situation. We're not even to 99% right now.
I was at my local grocery store earlier this week. Bought a bunch of food, also got liquor at the local packy, didnt need ID for anything. So you are definitionally incorrect.
As to why people have a problem with demanding ID for voting, its because its not coupled with a requirement for the government to ensure every citizen has ID free of charge. Then you get shit like the current admin ordering places to stop providing identification services https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/nonprofit-libraries-or...
and it seems like the intent is to make sure that certain types of people cant vote. Not an intent to make sure only the people with the right to vote can vote.
If you combine a claim for voter ID along with an increase in spending to make sure every valid voter gets one free of charge, then I'd believe you were not being malicious and were actually concerned with voting integrity.
I dont think youd ever do that, so get fucked. Rescinded if you are willing to claim otherwise.
> You can’t get anything in society without identification
Statements like this show that you are living in a bubble with little connection to people outside your immediate social circle. LOTS of people don't have government ID of any kind, much less one that proves citizenship (basically birth certificate or passport). About half of Americans don't have a passport. Do you carry around your birth certificate with you?
You should really get out of your comfortable suburban bubble, turn off Fox News, and talk to actual poor people. Your misinformation about basic facts is leading you to support dumb policies.
> To pretend every single thing in society is so important to be gated by ID, except voting, is insanity.
But yet you're willing to disenfranchise millions of Americans of their constitutional right to vote, in order to stop the crisis of in-person voter fraud that doesn't exist. That it is conflict with the ideals of this country.
Meanwhile, I bet you're totally fine with Trump's plan to illegally federalize voting, because the Constitution means literally nothing to you
> My hunch is you would call me a Nazi
No, I would call you a Nazi for promoting the idea that Jews are organized to replace and outbreed gentiles (as says Musk), for denying the validity of any election that your party loses (as has Trump), for unilaterally seizing powers constitutionally held by the legislature (as has Trump), for using your elected office power to enrich yourself and your friends (as had Trump), for denying that American citizens of different ethnicities are "real Americans" (as has Trump), for attacking non-partisan institutions because they're politically inconvenient (as has Trump).
Popularity is no defense . Nazi opinions were popular in the 1930s, and now they're popular again. They are still Nazi opinions.
You can check voter ID all day, I don't care. This administration has crossed many red lines.
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Being pro-Jew is not the same as being pro-Israel.
> I believe Musk
Generally, spreading lies rooted in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion about Jewish conspiracies to displace gentiles is not what I would consider "pro-Jew" behavior. Regarding Musk specifically, I have seen no evidence of any kind that he is "pro" anything other than his own self interest. Like Trump, he is a man without principles, religious or otherwise.
> The most anti-Jew people I encounter are hardcore leftists and atheists
What specifically did they do to make you think that? Did they criticize Israel?
EDIT: how fitting that besides coming to HN to defend a fascist billionaire, you are also promoting a crypto scam. That tells me everything about your ethics and political alignment.
Isn't Monero actually private? It's one of the very few cryptocurrencies I wouldn't call a scam. Even if I really dislike speculation and proof of work.
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> It’s an absolute fact that the left are the people criticizing and protesting Israel
That's true, and I never said otherwise.
Many Jews criticize Israel as well. Are they antisemites?
As I already said, protesting Israel (in particular, the policies of its government) does not make a person anti-Jew, any more than criticizing American policy makes w person anti-American.
You conflate ethnic hate with principled opposition to particular unjust policies. Just like Trump, your orange god, you think that anyone who disagrees with you must be driven by irrational rage, rather than principles.
Please spare us cloying political buzz-word salad